talks more about growth, and governor romney talks more about management and spending efficiency, paul ryan talks mainly about spending cuts as essential, even more so than changing the revenue base. right? >> i mean, i don't want to -- but your system -- >> how the suck eggs. >> that expression. >> what does that mean? >> you won't tell your grandmother how to suck eggs because grandmother knows. >> you know better than i your system with the elections every two years for congress, it is a very different system, we now have legislative fiv five-year terms, parliamentary terms so it is a different issue there. i mean, your challenge, obviously is to get the medium term agreement with the $4 trillion worth of savings that the president is is proposed. >> over ten years. >> over ten years, but you also have got to make sure that in the short-term, you don't strangle your economy. and what i can tell you is our experience is we have strangled our economy. so our debt is going up, when your economy shrinks by definition your debt to gdp ratio, your debt to national income ratio goes up instead